Showing posts with label Alleged "William "Trapper" Terry. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Alleged "William "Trapper" Terry. Show all posts

Tuesday, June 8, 2021

CHEEPOAKE HARRIS FAMILY LINE: Another Angle

This totally undocumented line has been inserted into trees all over, laying claim to first William Terry of Botetourt Co., Va and then his son Miles Terry. It has also found its way into diverse and unrelated trees as well.

Let me look at the story, accepting that there is truth that a man named Terry acquired a wife who fits this description, and offer a different set of possibilities.

The claim is that one Native American woman named Cheepoake Harris b. c 1710, Surry Co., NC and died before 1759 same place was the first wife of William who later married Rachel Manson and lived in Botetourt Co., with their children.

The story claims that William was the son of a William Terry and a Keziah Sarah Hale (but it can be often found as Rachel Sarah or Rachel Keziah or Keziah Rachel Hale) born c 1700. Note: This line and this woman are totally UNPROVEN. No evidence has ever come to light that proves this relationship. No marriage record has ever been found linking a TERRY to a HALE or a Keziah in this time period. (Keziah was a Biblical name so not that unusual in the time).

This William married this woman ca 1740 and fathered several children.

Their children, it is claimed, are

  1. Easter 1740-1830 who married in Surry Co., NC in 1758 a man named BURRIS.
  2. Stephen
  3. Isabell

and then sometimes the other children of Wm and Rachel get tossed in for good measure.

Someone even inserted into the son of Wm and Rachel, John Terry, the middle name "Burris" with no proof and nobody ever having heard of it before (and John had a LARGE family).

Again, the major issue with this line is its total lack of any real evidence shared to prove their case.

With recent DNA results, however, the Terry's who were in NC, SC and deeper south have tended to be connected with a line that came down from NJ and elsewhere and feature the name Stephen. Are they, both through DNA and historical evidence, a better fit?

In 1755, a solder under Capt. Joseph Fox with the Lewis Expedition against the "Indians", awarded in Pittsylvania Co. March 21, 1780. Also settled in that region was a Joseph Terry, Sergt under Capt. Wm Philips under Col. Andrew Lewis in the same expedition against the "Indians." Date was 1763 and awarded with land bounty March 21, 1780 (Virginia Colonial Militia 1651-1776. Crozier. 1854, pg. 47). In the same source, was a Private Nathaniel Terry, Halifax CO., VA (1758) and a Stephen Terry same place (1763). Another source has a "Tory" William Terry (one who opposed colonial independence) and a William Terry fighting against the Shawnee in SE Va ca 1740's.

During the American Revolution there was a Nathaniel Terry with the Va 14th Regt.; an Obediah Terry with the 6th Regt.; a Wm Terry 3rd Regt (Hampshire Co., Capt. Ashby); a Vincent Terry out the 7th Regt (Dunmore Co.); a Thomas Terry with the 3rd Rgt.; and a John in Capt. Lambert's group in the 14th Regt. Rgt. associated with Botetourt Co and Montgomery Co., were largely the 7th formed in 1776 and the 12th formed in 1777. (same source as above and the website Valley Forge Legacy).

Thus, we can see an entirely different group of TERRY in these eastern or central regions with descendants in NC, SC, and other locations. Note too, the timeline suggests that there were Terry's in Central and SE Virginia and NC who better fit the line suggested by those who advance the CHEEPOAKE HARRIS - WILLIAM TERRY (although some lines had a fluidity as to potential mate for her).  One of the strongest arguments is why, if he had a wife living in Botetourt Co., Va when he died was he buried in Bedford Co., NC (or Surry CO., NC as some claim)? Legal records indicate his widow Rachel Terry was in Botetourt, along with some of his children at his death in 1792
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Now, add to that that a large group of those central and southeast Terry's had a DNA haplogroup of I-01 there is a way to untangle the whole mess. I encourage any males of this alleged line to have their DNA done and submit it to someplace such as Ancestry (for a blended male and female line DNA) and Terry Family at Terry - Overview | FamilyTreeDNA or even 23andMe. Family Tree DNA has an ongoing project of charting these connections so if you have had yours done you can submit your information to them (see their instructions). 

If this connection is proved through any records, documents, etc. please share those so others can evaluate the evidence and maybe make even more connections from your contribution!

Thursday, June 3, 2021

'TRAPPER' TERRY, 'DEVIL JET' AND AN 'INDIAN PRINCESS': THE NEED FOR EVIDENCE


 One of the most exciting potentials to the DNA was finding out who comprised the rich tapestry of ME. What cultures, ethnicities, and histories went to produce my family? My mother's family, like so many had a tale of a Native American woman in the tree. She was a Choctaw or Cherokee from Tennessee, and was named "Washtella" or "Watella."  The line she was in had a come feature of dark hair and "olive" complexion - so it could be, most mused. Everyone wants to be thought exotic, different, interesting, out of the ordinary - and that often reveals itself in the hunt for ancestors. We often try to compensate for low-self-esteem by seeking reflected glory, notoriety, or uniqueness. That is human nature.

What my DNA found was a faint echo from Asia and the Middleast, a stronger return from the Balkans, and a strong showing of Europe and Great Britain. My mother's DNA did show that strong Asian and Middle-eastern strand and the story came from her line.

So, I understand the need to search and find identity.

Of late, however, there has been an invasion of claims related to my Terry family line that make claims and attach it to every conceivable line in the attempts something will stick.

The only citations are postings on online trees with meaningless quotes and detailed claims. I suspect that this line - if it is real - finds its source in the Terry's who lived in eastern Va and went into NC, AL , SC and etc. DNA will be better able to connect this line to a source and should be pursued vigorously. This page merges Jasper Terry-Mart Hart line with the William to create a William Jasper Terry figure (William "Trapper" Terry + Cheepoake Harris - Our Family Tree (ourfamtree.org) in doing so they identify that the DNA should reflect the I-02 haplogroup if that is a correct link.

A search for "Devil Jet" Miles Terry is explanatory:

  • Miles B. Terry, Sr. (1764 - 1810) - Genealogy

    https://www.geni.com/people/Miles-B-Terry-Sr-Patriot/6000000002554788230

    Jul 26, 2018 · Patriot (Private) Miles B."Devil Jett" Terry bonded to Chief John Ross "Little John" of Eastern Band of Cherokee of GA, AL, MO; served under Captain James Neeley's Company Militia. 13th District per DAR records.

  • Ancestors of Miles TERRY

    www.choicemn.com/trees/gibson-tullis/942.html

    "My great grandparents was Cornelius Estep and Annie (Terry) Estep's father's father was Miles Terry Sr., who was called Devil Jet and belonged to Chief John Ross Tribe of Cherokee Indians." Most of our ancestor's claim forms stated that "Devil Jet" belonged to Principle Chief, John Ross of the Eastern Branch of the Cherokee.

  • Miles Devil Jett Terry - GenoPro

    familytrees.genopro.com/.../Terry-MilesDevilJett...

    Miles Devil Jett Terry Miles Devil Jett was born about 1762 in Augusta (Botetourt) County, Virginia. Miles Devil Jett's father was William Terryand his mother is Rachel Manson. His paternal grandparents are William Terryand Keziah Hale.

  • Miles B. Terry Sr. (abt.1762-abt.1808) | WikiTree FREE ...

    https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Terry-85

    Oct 29, 2020 · Miles B. "Devil Jet" Terry Sr. Born about 1762 in Botetourt County, Virginia, British America. Ancestors . Son. of William Terry II and Rachel (Manson) Terry. ... I believe that Terry-85, Terry-1210 and Terry 598 are all the same person. posted Oct 10, 2014 by Michele (Harrison) West.

  • Re: Miles Terry-Married Hannah - Genealogy.com

    https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/terry/6268

    Aug 23, 2005 · father's father was Miles Terry Sr., who was called Devil Jet and belonged to Chief John Ross Tribe of Cherokee Indians." Also in 1907 a Jesse Terry who was at this time seventy-four years old stated in an affidavit that Annie Terry Estep was a Cherokee Indian.This was the same Annie Terry who was Miles and Hannah's Daughter.

  • Miles B Terry : Family tree by Orville JENKINS ...

    https://gw.geneanet.org/boydorville?lang=en&n=terry&oc=0&p=miles+b

    Some genealogies report that Leonard Terry's father was Miles B Terry, nicknamed Devil Jett. Jett is a family name on the maternal side.

  • Jasper Terry (1756 - c.1819) - Genealogy

    https://www.geni.com/people/Jasper-Terry/6000000014630456117

    Dec 30, 2019 · Genealogy profile for Jasper Terry Jasper Terry (1756 - c.1819) - Genealogy Genealogy for Jasper Terry 

  • Find your roots! Find them and share the resources, proofs, etc. that you use to claim one view or another.  I have seen this same connection randomly attached to several other lines - people who were in the region or the time period - and now is the time for the family historians to gather ranks and demand everyone play their "A" game.  Accept nothing with finding some document, source, or record that helps support that view, if you guess, label it as such and provide your reasons for that guess.  Our ancestors deserve no less.

  • Tuesday, May 25, 2021

    Problems with the Terry Tree


    Two wrinkles have arisen concerning origins for the man my family line identifies as William Terry (1724-1793) and wife Rachel Manson(c1730-1803) of Botetourt County, Va. Family trees, family histories, family letters along with family lore and official documentation- and now DNA- have all established that this man had a son John Terry who married Esther Brown.

    PROBLEMS OF EVIDENCE AND LOCATION:

    The man many family trees identify as  a) William Terry, b) William "Trapper" Terry and ,3) "William Terriy", often has a birthdate ranging from 1700-1724, my line believes the 1724 is correct based on activities. 

    Some claim he was born at "Elmwood Plantation, Roanoke, Botetourt Co, Va" and others "Terry's Run, Orange Co., Va".  The last is interesting because according to sources consulted Orange Co was created in about 1734 from Spotsylvania Co. His death has been - since about the 1970's fixed at circa 1803 based on dating from various legal documents that mention his children. A legal action by his son Miles Terry named Rachel as William's widow and several children were named in the document dated February 1793. Then an earlier court document filed by his son Jasper (with wife Ruth) to serve as administrator was filed Dec 11 1792.  This appears to mean that William was already dead (hence his wife named a widow).

    Some claim and have added that to the FindaGrave record that he died in Surry Co., North Carolina and they describe him as Wm "Trapper" Terry who married a Cherokee woman they label a "Princess" Elizabeth or Esther Harris Terry Parker Sanders (all my Native American friends confirm are probably shaking their heads at the princess business; most concur they had no such title). The one revised FIndAGrave has William as an elderly man up and traveling to Surry Co., NC and there dying and being buried in a Terry Family Cemetery. I have no doubt there might be a Wm Terry buried there but feel confident he will turn out to be one of the eastern VA Terry group with a Haplogroup of I-01. They had several Williams fighting in Native conflicts, fighting in the Revolution, and they made have made their living trapping and using the coastal waterways for trade.  Some of the this group may require a vast new database of DNA before they are satisfied with any tree. 

    Others hold to a death in Botetourt County, Virginia, United States.  That is most likely since he died probably October or November of 1792 in Botetourt Co., Virginia. No grave has been documented as his in Botetourt County, Va or elsewhere. 

    Note: Here is where some DNA would really be useful to untangle the line of this alleged "Wm "Trapper" Terry who married the Native American Woman in  North Carolina. I can accept "A" William Terry may have done just that, but there were several large clusters of Terry's, including one group that landed in Virginia, one that trickled down from Pa and NJ and another that may have drifted in from NC.  

    The DNA will be helpful to see if this group belongs to the G Haplogroup of Jasper Terry and Mary Morrison or the I-02 Haplogroup of Wm and Rachel Manson Terry, Jasper Terry and Mary Hart and John and Ester Brown Terry.

    SOME OTHER PROBLEMS NOTED:

    A marriage between a  William Tirrey, and Keziah (Hale) Tirrey. This gets repeated -ad nauseum -  but there is no evidence provided when it is shared. Where does the information come from? A family Bible? A public or church record? There has to be some proof before this can be accepted in any manner whatsoever.

    The Boteoturt Co,, VA Wm Terry's wife was a "Rachel Moredock". Again, absolutely no evidence or documentation is offered to support this. There, however a marriage record at the historical Christ Church in Philadelphia of a 1759 marriage between a William Terry and a Rachel Manson. If this was a second union for William, as some birthdates suggest, the first marriage was made when he was young.

    The same is true for a marriage of a Thomas BROWN and a Mary TERRY. It keeps getting listed but the records I have seen show no place, no date and without those the claim there relate to the parents of Esther Brown Terry mean nothing.

    For some odd reason, again no supporting evidence, Wm's son, father of my ggggrandfather William Terry who married Barbara Ennis, John /Esther Brown Terry has had "Burris" slipped into his name. No evidence, no proof and an apparent story that may have had its genesis in the marital line of a descendent of John's younger son. In fact, the only Burris connection is through the son of Josiah, son of John and Esther, whose first marriage produced two sons (William and Joseph). Joseph married a woman whose grandmother was a Burris. Absolutely no connection to John Terry son of William Terry.

    The next data is full of details but empty of references or cited sources:  The claim is that William Terry (pick which one) had the occupation as a Fur Trader and he was a Roanoke/Southern Tuscororan Soldier.    Some claim either he or just his alleged first wife or both had an ethnicity of Tuscorora; and Old Cheraw . Others have fleshed out the information - again  no source - that his was named William John Terry, fur trapper/trader, surveyor, soldier.  Given land right, by the late 1700's, the old Terry Plantation was made up close to 1,000 acres. The property located where Roanoke, Virginia was later established. His farm was named Elmwood.

    A little about "ELMWOOD":

    A 2010 article from my old blog "Family Face", "ELMWOOD: TERRY HOME OF BOTETOURT CO., VIRGINIA"

    "According to many researchers this house was the home of the Terry's in what is now Roanoke, VA. It served as the recreation offices of the city in 1944 and later the main library but was demolished in 1964 as the and the libraries grew ( public library). The area is known as Elmwood Park. The last Terry to reside there on South Jefferson Street was the town's first millionaire, Peyton L. Terry. According to one source, Peyton acquired "Elmwood" in 1868 after the Civil War. Other sources indicate he was the son of a Stephen Terry and there had been a "Elmwood" in Pittsylvania Co.. Continuing research will clarify the connection as valid or just a really good story.

    Peyton Leftwich Terry of the Pittsylvania Co. Va area, was the descendent of Steven (1805-), son of William (1777-1815), son of Stephen (1750-1802), son of Zachariah (1725-1767 and all in the same Pittsylvania Co., Va area) who may have been the son of a James Terry (dates and location unknown). His wife, Mary Terry, wrote a book, "Big Lick Homefront: 1861-1865" written in 1898.

    Although connection to this home is still possible due to many unanswered family history questions. from the information about the last Terry resident (who may or may not have named it), it would appear that there is no clear connection to the Peyton L. Terry of Elmwood and the line of this page."

    The group that built Elmwood was apparently from Pittsylvania Co., Va. 

    Terry's Run, Orange Co., Virginia:

    The Tierry/Terry theory runs rampant with the claim that William Terry father of William/Rachel Terry line was born in 1700 in "Terry's Run" in Orange County, Virginia, the son of a "gentleman" and physician born in London. Records indicate that Orange County was created in 1734 from Spotsylvania co., Va.

    Between 1781 and 1792 three male Terry's marry and are recorded in the book Annals of Southwest Virginia, p. 525 (available free to view online HathiTrust).  In 1781 John Terry marries Esther Brown, in 1782 his brother Miles Terry marries Hannah Horton. In 1782 a Stepen (Stephen) Terry marries an Alice Biggs.  This last group , I believe, represent a family that migrated into the are from about 1760 but more seriously about the time the line of William Terry-Rachel Manson Terry are migrated outward to other counties and territories (KY, TN, IND, etc.). The information on this page, I believe, describes their line. See: Terry Families of VA - Botetou - Genealogy.com

    A family of Terry are in North Carolina and Halifax Co., VA with names Stephen, Matthew, Champs, etc. and they, from will information, represent another group.

    The Annals mentions a William Terry with a wife Elizabeth in 1798 (April 6) who sold land to Isaac Renfro on the Little River in Botetourt Co., Va.

    AGAIN - the DNA will be incredibly important in untangling these lines. Having my father's DNA return with the I-02 haplogroup was incredibly enlightening since others have done theirs and the link is proven from my father to John and Esther and upheld with Wm and Rachel. Others with the same haplogroup include a line going up into Pennsylvania and New York. Still some untangling to do but the DNA is a guide.

    Further, I have had no "hits" on my own DNA information related to any group claiming the "Trapper " William Terry story.

    So, look for the evidence, or add a statement as to why your link should be accepted because others will not be as discerning or questioning. 


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